City of Cortland Planning, Zoning & Building Commission met on Monday April 11, 2011 at 7:00 P. M. at the City Administration Building, 400 N. High Street. Members present: Chairman, Scott Daffron, Vice-Chairman, Bill Sasse, Charlie Peck, Scott Rowley, and Jim Chubb. Also present were Law Director Patrick Wilson, and Mayor Curt Moll, Service Director, Don Wittman and the Following individuals:


Maggie Peck††††††††††††† 500 Tournament Cortland, Ohio

Dan Jaros†††††††††††††††††† 194 Lattin St†† Cortland, Ohio

Karen Potts††††††††††††††† 4515 Sodom Hutchings Fowler, Ohio


Scott Daffron: Today is Monday, April 11, 2011. Iíd like to call to order the Cortland Planning, Zoning & Building Commission.


Roll Call: Scott Daffron, here, Charles Peck, here, Scott Rowley, here, Jim Chubb, here, Bill Sasse, here.


Scott Daffron: Can I have a motion for approval of Commission minutes for the regular meeting held March 14, 2011?


Bill Sasse: made a motion to approved March 9, 2011 Commission minutes seconded by Charles Peck. Roll Call: Scott Daffron, yes; Charles Peck, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Bill Sasse, yes, Jim Chubb, abstain.

Nothing on old business. If we can move on to new business I would like to entertain a motion for approval 05-11 business moving to new location, two part to this first business move and the sign. As I understand is this the same sign?


Karen Potts: Same sign.


Charles Peck made a motion to approval of 05-11A. seconded by. Jim Chubb


Scott Daffron: Who do we have to represent this tonight?


Karen Potts Ė owner


Scott Daffron: Little about your business?


Karen Potts:Itís a dog grooming business and itís been in Cortland for forty years.


Scott Daffron: For how long??


Karen Potts: Forty years


Scott Daffron: Really.


Charles Peck: Is there any changes to existing business at your new location. Itís going to operate the same as it is at the old location?


Karen Potts: Yes


Bill Sasse: Is there a knox box in the new build?


Karen Potts: Is there a what?


Dan Jaros: Yes there is.


Karen Potts: I have the fire department papers here if you need this.

Dan Jaros: I wrote the letter.


Karen Potts: I did not know if they had a copy or not.


Don Wittman: I just see that as an over site so we need a motion to approve the new location of the business and a motion for the sign.


Scott Daffron: My next question was do we need to approve the sign since it was pre existing.


Don Wittman: I think the sign is more important then the approval of the business.


Patrick Wilson: They should be separate.


Scott Daffron: We will break this up. Want me to rescind the motion? And just do it as A and B.


Patrick Wilson: Yes


Scott Daffron: Who do we have that made the motion for this? I am going to ask that we with draw the motion for 05-11.And break up for new business location 05-11A and the sign 05-11B.


Charles Peck: I with draw my motion.


Don Wittman: Will mark down that Jim did the second and Charles did the first.


Mayor Moll: They are both with drawn.


Scott Daffron: Now I have a motion for approval of new business 05-11A for the business moving to 231 W. Main St.


Bill Sasse: made a motion for approval of 05-11A, seconded by Jim Chubb.


Scott Daffron: Do we have any further question on the business? Seeing none can we have a vote on 05-11A.


Roll Call: Jim Chubb, yes, Scott Rowley, yes, Bill Sasse, yes, Scott Daffron, yes, Charles Peck, yes.


Scott Daffron: That approves the business portion. Can I have a motion for approval on 05-11B for the sign at 231 W. Main St Jo-Karís.


Jim Chubb: made a motion for approval of 05-11B, seconded by Charles Peck.


Scott Daffron: Now will go to the sign portion you said you basically moved the existing sign that you have the same mounting proctors.


Karen Potts: No, actually before it was hung with ďs ď hooks Red Hot is the one that did the sign and hung the sign, when it was hung with ďsĒ hook it swings free, so the way itís mounted now it does not swing.


Don Wittman: So the photo you provided with the application that shows the chain that was just temporary.


Karen Potts: That way itís not swinging. They can put it back with theĒ s ďhooks but with the chain thatís the way it is right now.


Mayor Moll: The holes were further apart? On the other one that had ďsĒ hooks.


Karen Potts:No they are actually the same. Nothing as changed.


Mayor Moll: I mean the holes on the bracket.


Karen Potts: Thatís mounted to the building. I donít know.


Mayor Moll: I think thatís the reason it does not swing now because itís pulled with the brackets.


Karen Potts: The way that the sign is made with the little pieces of metal that come out of the top of the sign those donít move back and forth theyíre stationary.


Scott Daffron: Any other question on the sign? Anything to add Don?


Don Wittman: No


Scott Daffron: Seeing as nothing else.Can we have a vote on 05-11B.


Roll Call: Scott Daffron, yes, Jim Chubb, yes, Scott Rowley, yes, Charles Peck, yes, Bill Sasse, yes.


Jim Chubb: Where are the two parking spaces?


Karen Potts: Out front on the road.


Jim Chubb: On the road.


Scott Daffron: It would not matter anyway.


Mayor Moll: Itís all down town.


Karen Potts: There is parking behind that building but that house thatís attached has three apartments and they park back there, there is lots of other parking I sort of donítwant to use that because thereís so much parking on the road. And basically they just drop off theyíre not occupying a parking space.


Jim Chubb: Technically you are not allowed to park next door to it either.


Karen Potts: Exactly. We have been guarding that sometime they park in those driveways and you can not park there. And they say how do you know when I park there, because I can look and see now.


Scott Daffron: Anything else?


Scott Daffron: The only comment I have on Fowler street maybe we can declare wet lands? In that drive.


Bill Sasse: Will the EPA have to come in and look at it?


Scott Saffron: I donít know I must be the only one that it bothers me.


Mayor Moll: Which drive?


Scott Daffron: Where there pulling that semi in and out. That is nothing but a mud fest. Itís just not right.

Don Wittman: I am reluctant to pursue it persecute anything because I donít know what ordinance I can point to that would prohibit a commercial vehicle. Other then he has a bunch there for the landscaping business.


Scott Daffron: Itís basically an unapproved service.


Don Wittman: Itís zoned residential.


Scott Daffron: That is what I donít understand what you talked about before that part of that was commercial and part was residential.


Don Wittman: There is a sliver that the original parcel coming off of High Street that is commercial.


Scott Daffron: The right side?


Don Wittman: The west side of the property starts at the front


Scott Daffron: So the truck is actually parked in a residential zone.


Mayor Moll: So thatís makes it good.


Patrick Wilson:Persecute I donít think the prosecutor would take it.


Don Wittman: What happen itís not just a semi truck itís a semi truck and trailer parking there and it was just gravel and a loaded trailer.


Scott Daffron: Itís easily looking at it tonight coming down here there ten inch ruts there.


Mayor Moll: Really.


Scott Daffron:An every morning there is mud all the way up Fowler Street.


Don Wittman: Now thereís an issue with tracking mud on the road.


Scott Daffron: We are not talking a trail of mud we are talking big clumps off the tires


Don Wittman: Now I do not know if thatís a zoning issue or a police issue. I think from a regulator police a fining for. That would get there attention a lot quicker. Then put it this way a moving violation or a vehicle violation greater expediting then a zoning violation.


Scott Daffron: So what you are saying is to consider it an unapproved drive in the condition it is right now.


Don Wittman: If it was a commercial faculty. We had more.


Mayor Moll: More lead ridge


Scott Daffron: But even as a residential we still want approved drives.


Don Wittman: My guess is the behavior crosses the level in which it is no longer just a commercial vehicle parked in a residential lot is he conducting commercial activates by storing the load over night?


Patrick Wilson: I know we have never enforced that in the City.


Mayor Moll: The only place we have ever gone after any one was down on the end of Fairview.


Don Wittman: That was just property issue.


Scott Daffron: Special with out that being commercial property.


Don Wittman: I have addressed that in a bond where they were loading and unloading vehicle as part of a reposed and towing company.


Mayor Moll: Did they have a party there this weekend, I drove by there and there must have been about twenty cars parked in that circle.


Don Wittman: Maybe they were rapping up there activities towing cars and using that as there storage area before they had a flat bed to take them up to Andover.


Mayor Moll: There probably twenty cars parked around the big circle.


Charles Peck: Surely we have regulation about tracking mud on the highway. Donít we? Is not that a starting place?


Jim Chubb: I do think that is a police thing when it happens.


Patrick Wilson: They would have to cite them. The Driver.


Mayor Moll: Ya, might or might not do that.


Don Wittman: I rarely see the vehicle.


Scott Daffron: I think itís about five oí clock in the morning.


Patrick Wilson: They would have to witness it, a police officer and ticket it.


Scott Daffron: In between four thirty and five that seems like it most of the time.


Don Wittman: Okay.


Charles Peck: It seems like we can easily get some pictures a head of time to show that the street is clean.


Don Wittman: It has been brought to my attention by the street sweeper operator


Scott Daffron: The other thing I have to laugh at, we go out and clean the streets. You know after you hit the mud on the street itís like your running over pot holes. It is just clumped on the street there for a couple of days.


Patrick Wilson: I still think if the prosecutor was going to take the case they would want the officer to witness it or whoever gives him a ticket.


Don Wittman:Iíll put some thought in to it, come up with a means we can try to remedy the situation. Initially I was going to run a curb thru there but I figure we would just have a broken up curb after a month or two.


Scott Daffron: It has to be deteriorating the side walk an every thing, the way the drive is around the side walk. Thatís my two cents.


Scott Daffron: Any thing else?


Charles Peck: I vote we adjourn.



Charles Peck made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Scott Rowley. Roll Call: Bill Sasse, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Charles Peck, yes; Jim Chubb, yes; Scott Daffron, yes; MOTION APPROVED.


Meeting Adjourned: 7:18pm.

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Charles Peck made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Bill Sasse. Roll Call: Jim Chubb. yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Bill Sasse, yes; Scott Daffron, yes; Charles Peck, yes; MOTION APPROVED.


Meeting Adjourned:

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Scott Daffron, Chairman ††††††††††††††††††††† Date†††††††††††††††† Julie Shaffer-Wood, Secretary