††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Dan Cuckovich†††††††††† 1250 May Dr.†††††††††††† Lordstown†††††† †††††††††††
††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††††† Karl Griena††††††††††††††† 228 Robbies Run††††††
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PUBLIC HEARING Ė
Scott Daffron:† Today is
Scott Daffron: Do we have roll?
Roll Call:† Bill Sasse, here; Scott Rowley, here; Scott Daffron, here; Charles Peck, here; Jim Chubb, here.
Scott Daffron: Who do we have to represent this variance request tonight?
Dan Cuckovich:† I am Dan Cuckovich with Cardinal Signs.† We are going to be going to work on the sign Ė lowering it.†
Scott Daffron: †How many businesses currently exist in there?
Dan Cuckovich: I believe thereís one.
Scott Daffron:† I mean business fronts.
Dan Cuckovich:† Pardon me?
Scott Daffron:† Business fronts.
Mayor Moll: Two are unoccupied at this time.† Thereís a Hallmark store, Movie Gallery, hair salon and pizza place.
Scott Rowley: I was just curious whether there was any intention to break up the Movie Gallery into more possible suites.
Jim Chubb: †Thereís a lot of rumors for that.
Mayor Moll:† There were† rumors that they were going to combine that with something else.
Scott Rowley: †The one kinda question I had is they show $4,600 as the cost of remounting the sign.†
Dan Cuckovich:† Yes.
Scott Daffron:† Does that include the panels?† We donít have a description of what panels.† You knowÖ what the sign is actually going to look like.† What I have is a frame.
Dan Cuckovich:† Well thatís pretty much all itís going to be until the businesses are determined† thatís going in there.† That each panel will submit for a new zone request.
Scott Daffron:† So each panelÖ like their showing five panels right now?† Is that correct?
Dan Cuckovich:† Correct.† Yes.
Charles Peck:† The size says six foot by twelve foot.
Mayor Moll: †Yes.† Itís the same frame thatís there now, right?
Dan Cuckovich: Yes.† Thatís correct.
Mayor Moll: †That was the main reason for the (inaudible).
Scott Daffron:† The only question I wanted to ask on that is the frame itself.† If they were to change that what would be the cost?† To bring that within the ordinances.† Do you have any idea?
Dan Cuckovich: I mean Iíd be purely guessing.
Scott Daffron:† Would you have any idea?
Bill Sasse:† Is that the only reason they are requesting a larger sign bigger than our ordinances is because they could use the existing frame?
Dan Cuckovich: That is correct.† Yeah.
Scott Daffron:† Thatís why I was curious what the cost would be.
Dan Cuckovich: Um. For that size.† Probably double that. (inaudible)
Charles Peck:† Is that top space Ė the big space Ė is that going to be designated with the name of the plaza or is that going to be for one of the individual stores?
Dan Cuckovich:† They havenít disclosed any of that to me.† What theyíre going to do.† Itís kinda lended itself to that.† But they are in negotiations with a couple tenants and probable tenants.
Bill Sasse:†† And they are going to lower the sign?
Dan Cuckovich: They are going to lower the sign.
Bill Sasse:† But itís still going to hang over the sidewalk?
Dan Cuckovich: No.
Bill Sasse:† It wonít hang over the sidewalk?
Dan Cuckovich:† It wonít impede the sidewalk traffic.† No.
Bill Sasse:† Good.
Charles Peck: Will
there be a possibility of† a visual
problem for people pulling out onto
Dan Cuckovich:† I pulled in myself a few times and looked.† The road does angle back some as your looking to the left but it wasnítÖ I mean in my opinion it wasnít a dangerous option.
Charles Peck:† I had a hard time visualizing an eight foot sign.† Iím guessing two feet under the bottom?
Dan Cuckovich: †Yeah.
Charles Peck:† Would that impair your vision for traffic? Donít get me wrong.† Weíre not arguing with you about the sign.† We are pleased.† We are very happy that you are lowering the sign.† Thatís the direction we want to go.† I just want to make sure weíre not making a mistake at that location.
Dan Cuckovich: What theyíre going to do to lower the sign.. I mean, it didnít appear to me, you know, that is was going to block your view of oncoming traffic.
Charles Peck:† Okay.† Thank you Don.
Scott Daffron:† Any other questions?† Anybody else in the audience would like to speak for the variance request?†† Anybody would like to speak against the variance request?†† Can I have a motion closed?
Charles Peck made a motion to close Public Hearing 14-11, seconded by Jim Chubb.
Roll Call:† Scott Daffron, yes; Charles Peck, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Jim Chubb, yes, Bill Sasse, yes.† MOTION APPROVED.
Scott Daffron:† That just basically completes the public hearing portion of it.† We have to wait to .
REGULAR MEETING Ė 7:00 pm
Roll Call: †Jim Chubb, here; Scott Rowley, here; Bill Sasse, here; Scott Daffron, here; Charles Peck, here.
Can I have a motion for approval of commission minutes for
Scott Rowley made a motion to approve August 22, 2011 minutes, seconded by Jim Chubb. †
Roll Call:† Jim Chubb, yes; Scott Daffron, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Charles Peck, yes; Bill Sasse, yes.† MOTION APPROVED.
Scott Daffron:† No
old business on the agenda.† And moving
onto new business can I have a motion for approval of 14-11 Variance requested to the sign ordinance Ė
Bill Sasse made a motion for approval of 14-11, seconded by Jim Chubb.†
Scott Daffron: Any further discussion on this?
Bill Sasse: Yes. I have two things to say.† When we first started changing our sign
ordinances we decided that we wanted a certain size.† As you notice every time somebody comes in
and wants a new sign there getting small like we originally planned on. We got
rid of several larger ones Ė ah, the McDonalds sign because they moved and we
made Walgreens put in a smaller sign.† We
did this for a reason.† We did this for a
long term look.† The way
Scott Daffron: Anybody else?
Bill Sasse:† Well theyíd have to bring that before us when they change it so at that point we can make our decision.†† But as far as this one is concerned thatís the way I feel.
Bill Sasse: I know.
Iím just trying to see what the
Bill Sasse: †46 has got whatÖ seven or eight buildings/businesses in it.† All they have is a monument sign out front.† †You can see every one of those names on it.
Bill Sasse: †Iím just trying to follow our sign ordinance.
Bill Sasse: Thatís the way I feel and a transient canít find Belleria Pizza? Thatís no reason for us to change our sign ordinance.
Scott Daffron:† Normally I agree with you Bill in this case I do believe that $4,000 or $5,000 is a significant value in a sign when youíre looking at five businesses in a plaza.† Um... I donít see that itís all that big.
Mayor Moll:† Plus they are lowering it for us.
Scott Rowley:† Yeah. I was kinda taking the other side also Bill only because of the fact that we are getting what we want.† The sign is there and their moving it down and just kinda dividing it up.† I mean Iím on the fence but I mean Iíd prefer to see it lower than some other thing also.
Charles Peck: I would like to share a thought also.† We have had as Don has mentioned several problems with people wanting to put signs up whether they are putting them in the back of a pick up trucks or jet ski trailer signs and the changing of the post out there or whatever.† And one of the things you know that we had said was maybe that these business owners should go to the building owner to see if they couldnít do something with that sign to share this (inaudible)work so everybody got some advertising space and this is one of the things that I believe this sign is doing.† And we also had, you know, made an effort to try and reduce sky scraper signs.† You know, get them down a little bit lower.† And this does do the same thing.† I am concerned about adding costs to businesses.† You know, the businesses are struggling anyway.† And I am looking at the alternatives.† And yeah this thing is probably slightly, not grossly, but slightly larger you know than our sign ordinance.† But I donít know if that justifies the additional costs.† Thatís my thoughts.
Jim Chubb:†† Well I mean I have a feeling like he said if he gets a hundred calls for the pizza place and everything itís not easy to be driving and looking over. You might not know where it is. I donít know. But if it hurts the people and we need people in this town.
Mayor Moll:† Thereís two empty stores in there and there could be four and it might be an empty frame with no sign in it.
Jim Chubb:†† I think we need to do what we can to satisfy some of these businesses to make sure they stay.
Charles Peck: This is as much for the four business slots in the plaza as it is for the plaza owner itself I believe in my mind.† I believe in trying to look out for the businesses in the slot in the plaza.
Scott Rowley:† Yeah.† I was going to ask that too.
Dan Cuckovich: †They had talked about doing a pole cover on the bottom.† That uniforms everything.
Mayor Moll:† That would be nice.
Dan Cuckovich: †We could put a number on it.
Jim Chubb:† Thatís a good idea
Scott Rowley:† Is that sign lit?
Dan Cuckovich: It is.
Mayor Moll:† Either that or when they put one of the panels together, like the top panel since it is larger we insist that that business put the number on the panel.
Jim Chubb:† I didnít hear what you were saying.
Scott Daffron:† No, I just want to say as we get stupider with GPS thatís what people do.† You just plug in the address.
Jim Chubb:† Hey Hey.† Thatís the only way I drive.
Scott Daffron:† Thatís how you got here tonight.
Jim Chubb:† Yeah I did.† No, I finally know where to turn.
Scott Daffron:† Do we have anybody that would like to add anything at this point?† Seeing none.† Can we have a vote on 14-11?
Roll Call: Scott Daffron, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Charles Peck, yes, Bill Sasse, yes;† Jim Chubb, yes.† MOTION PASSED
Scott Daffron: †Do we have any other business to come before this board tonight?
Charles Peck: Ah yes Mr. Chairman.† I believe that we would like to nominate Rhonda Horn to be the secretary for the Cortland Planning and Zoning Commission for the balance of the calendar year 2011.† seconded by Jim Chubb.†
Roll Call:† Jim Chubb, yes;† Scott Rowley, yes; Bill Sasse, yes; Scott Daffron, yes;† Charles Peck, yes.† MOTION APPROVED
Charles Peck:† Congratulation and welcome aboard.
Rhonda Horn:† Thank you.
Scott Daffron:† Before we close do we have anything else to add tonight?† Seeing none do we have a motion to close?
Charles Peck made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Scott Rowley.
Roll Call: †Scott Rowley, yes; Jim Chubb, yes; Bill Sasse, yes; Scott Daffron, yes; Charles Peck, yes; MOTION APPROVED.
Meeting Adjourned: .
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Scott Daffron, Chairman ††††††††††††††††††††† Date†††††††††††††††† Rhonda Horn, Secretary