City of Cortland Planning, Zoning & Building Commission met on Monday, May 10, 2010 at 7:00 P.M., at the City Administration Building, 400 N. High Street. Members present: Vice-Chairman Bill Sasse, Jim Chubb, Scott Rowley and Charlie Peck.Absent was Chairman Scott Daffron. Also present were Mayor Curt Moll, Service Director Don Wittman, Law Director Patrick Wilson and the following individuals:


†††††† Ray Roddewig†††††††††††††††††† 222 Stahl

Konstantinos Spetsiotis†††††††† 168 B N Mecca



6:45 PM


Bill Sasse:Iíd like to call to order the Cortland Planning, Zoning & Building Commission of Cortland.05-10B Variance Request Ė sign Ė Four Star Diner Ė 168 N Mecca Ė to exceed the height requirement of 14í and to exceed the size requirement of 48 sq. ft.Can we have roll?


ROLL CALL:Bill Sasse, here; Scott Rowley, here; Scott Daffron, absent; Jim Chubb, here; Charles Peck, here.


Bill Sasse:Is there anyone here that would like to speak on behalf of the zoning variance.


Konstantinos Spetsiotis:Do I have to explain something?


Atty. Patrick Wilson:Yes, tell us why youíre here and what you are propose that this board will vote on.


Konstantinos Spetsiotis:The sign was existing there and I lease the restaurant and Iím asking if I can keep the same sign as this.Like I said the cost on thisÖI understand itís bigger than itís supposed to be but itís there, if I were to put it up I would have asked for permission with what is exactly needed to be done.And thatís the request I have, is it possible for the sign to stay on this?


Charlie Peck: Iím correct in assuming that the only thing youíve done to that sign is put a new piece of plastic, an insert.


Konstantinos Spetsiotis: Exactly, I didnít do anything else.


Charlie Peck:May I ask you to identify yourself for the record?


Konstantinos Spetsiotis:My name is Konstantinos Spetsiotis and Iím owner of the Four Star Diner.


Bill Sasse:Anybody else have any questions?Anybody here to speak against the variance request?


Ray Roddewig:222 Stahl Ave. Cortland.I think that our sign ordinance has been on the book for 10 or more years.I was sort of frustrated with the way it was going.I drove down to Hudson and they are much further ahead.You canít find a high sign around.I donít know how they did it; I think we ought to find out.Columbiana seems to be a lot further ahead and my opinion for this group is to just say no, or if you can, yes and put a time limit.If you want to give this guy 90 days or something like that and at 90 days that covering is gone and never to reappear again.Because the only reason a person would want to do that is to save a buck. What you guys want is for the city to look nice and it wonít look nice by giving variances whenever.So my only concern is not about Four Star Diner, itís about everyone, Iím telling you to just say no.Unless you can say a time frame and itís gone.Thatís all I have.


Bill Sasse:Is there anybody else to speak against the variance?Nobody else to speak up I need a motion to close the public hearing for variance request for Four Star Diner.


James Chubb made a motion to adjourn public hearing, seconded by Scott Rowley.ROLL CALL:Scott Daffron, absent; Charles Peck, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Jim Chubb, yes; Bill Sasse, yes.MOTION APPROVED.



7:00 PM


Bill Sasse:Its 7:00 and Iíd like to call to order the meeting of the Cortland Planning, Building & Zoning Commission.Can we have roll call please?


ROLL CALL:Bill Sasse, here; Scott Rowley, here; Charles Peck, here; Jim Chubb, here; Scott Daffron, absent.


Bill Sasse:Can we have approval for commission minutes for regular meeting held on April 12th, 2010?


Charles Peck made a motion for approval of April minutes, seconded by Scott Rowley.ROLL CALL:Jim Chubb, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Bill Sasse, yes; Scott Daffron, absent; Charles Peck, yes. MOTION APPROVED.


Bill Sasse:Seeing no old business, move directly to new business, Iíd like approval of 05-10B Ė Variance request for Four Star Diner Ė 168 N Mecca Ė Further discussion and vote.


Charles Peck made a motion for approval of 05-10B, seconded by Jim Chubb.


Bill Sasse: Do you want to tell us a little bit again about what you want, why you want this variance.

Konstantinos Spetsiotis:Like I said before it is an existing sign the only thing I did was change the panel on it.It was there and if itís possible I would like to continue like it is.The cost is very expensive.


Bill Sasse:Anybody have any questions?Anybody to speak against this variance?Hearing none.Can we have a vote?


ROLL CALL:Scott Daffron, absent; Jim Chubb, yes; Scott Rowley, yes; Charles Peck, yes; Bill Sasse, yes.MOTION APPROVED.


Bill Sasse:Anybody have any other business to bring before this commission this evening?

Charles Peck: I do have an issue Iíd like to bring before this board and this is about signs.Last Thursday, I was a little bit distressed as I drove into
Cortland the gateway to our City, right there at Speedway point, and I saw one Lakeview levy sign and three pretty good garage sale signs, you know on the Speedway point right by the city sign.Fortunately I was able to speak with the Administrative Assistant who had it taken care of.Then I got to looking at the piece of paper that we give these folks and the little note at the bottom that says Ďplease do not put signs on utility poles, they will be taken downí.We donít give the people direction that that is sacred ground, you know the gazebo point and the city sign point.I would like to ask if we could have this thing amended that we hand out to tell these people that that is absolutely sacred ground and we donít put signs there.


Mayor Moll:Is that the ordinance or a copy of the ordinance and thereís some more dialogue?


Charles Peck:It looks like dialogue thatís associated with the ordinance.This is what I got from the girls in the office.I donít think thatís the whole ordinance.


Jim Chubb:Codified Ordinance.


Charles Peck: Thatís what it says on the top but on the bottom there was added with an asterisk.


Don Wittman: And I think itís because itís on the back.It is actually codified and it says that Ö


Charles Peck:So we have to have an ordinance change?


Mayor Moll:No I think we can put in some extra words, let me see what you have Charlie.


Atty. Patrick Wilson:You can make up a form thatís going to be handed out to people that mimics the ordinance, is that what youíre talking about doing Charlie?


Charles Peck:I would like to give them some information that says you canít put it on gazebo point.You canít put it on Speedway point in the vicinity of the city sign.And you have to be cautious about putting it in intersections where you might interfere with traffic sight.


Mayor Moll:This is definitely extra, addedÖ


Jim Chubb: Weíll youíre supposed to be 10í off the road.


Don Wittman:Well thatís for political signs.As far as Speedway we donít own the property, we just take a stance that we do remove signs if they show up there.And since we do own the property on the point and Rotary Park thatís free rein to remove any signs that show up there.

Charles Peck:We should not have distractions at
Speedway point where people are trying to read garage sale signs as they are going through a pretty hectic intersection anyway.So from a safety point of view I say weíre well within our rights that you know to not allow signs at Speedway point.


Mayor Moll:Let me see what I can do with this.


Charles Peck:And weíre coming into garage sale season and if we could work a little harder our city would look a little nicer.




Jim Chubb:Even with political signs.Thereís a lot of violations with campaign signs being very close to the highways.


Mayor Moll:Thereís been a lot of discussion about whatís enforceable and whatís not enforceable around political signs.


Atty. Patrick Wilson:If there has been you have to be careful because you get in...people yeah are doing to regulate the content.


Bill Sasse:Anybody else have anything to bring up?

Charles Peck made a motion to adjourn, seconded by Jim Chubb.ROLL CALL:Scott Rowley, yes; Bill Sasse, yes; Jim Chubb, yes; Scott Daffron, absent; Charles Peck, yes.MOTION APPROVED


Meeting Adjourned: _7:25 p.m.



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Scott Daffron, Chairman††††††† ††††††††† Date†††††††††† Dee Daniels, Secretary